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South Australia’s biggest sprint race is Black Caviar’s 21st straight win

Black Caviar will head to England with her unbeaten record in tact following a soft win in today's $500,000 Group 1 The Goodwood at Morphettville in Adelaide.

The champion mare made it 21 straight victories when she cruised home by just over a length from We're Gonna Rock at her final start before heading to England for the Group 1 Diamond Jubilee Stakes at Royal Ascot on 23 June.

It wasn't the most dominant performance of her unprecedented career, but she was never out of “second gear” in a performance that left trainer Peter Moody and jockey Luke Nolen satisfied.

“Luke looked after her,” Moody said. “He was kind on her and we're happy with where we're at. It's just good to get another one behind us.

“She's done a good job, she's where we want her and as along as she pleases us the next three weeks we're on the plane to England.

“I know tomorrow there'll be the naysayers there (saying), ‘she's beat We're Gonna Rock a length-and-a-half this and that', but we're happy.”

The daughter of Bel Esprit was allowed to do as she pleased in the 1200-metre event. While she only jumped moderately from her wide barrier, the reluctance of any of her rivals to push forward left Nolen sharing the lead in what was a slow tempo.

Nolen took Black Caviar to the front rounding the home bend, but unlike previous races when he has put a gap on his rivals before easing her down, he just let her idle in front.

At the line the $1.04 favourite had 1-1/4 lengths to spare over a gallant We're Gonna Rock with Stirling Grove back in third spot.

Nolen said he didn't ask any more than required of the five-year-old, who has now won 11 Group 1 races and lifted her earnings to $5,770,550.

“Armchair easy it was,” Nolen said. “We were never out of second gear. She travelled strongly, I kept her happy, simple as that.

“Here the other day, she wasn't the same horse, but obviously today she was back to the machine she was.”
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Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (377 days ago)
As we all know BC is running against she own shadow in Australia and she can win any number of races down under but would never be considered the world's best sprinter by genuine racegoers. Let's forget the ratings; as long as she is not tested on the world stage she would only be Australia No. 1. They are planning to take her to England but as we all know Peter Moody has always been afraid of facing real competition by keeping BC running against already beaten horses, we would only believe when we truly see BC kicking out of the gate in the Golden Jubilee...only then my friends, only then!!! Do they have the guts to put her unbeaten record on the line in an England Group 1 race???! We can only hope!!!
dave, Australia, (2012-02-25 12:41:51) (376 days ago)
People who knock black caviar have not seen her run in the flesh,the reason she hasnt been to england is that if she had won 21 races straight she would have earned about $2,000,000. why risk running for less money.She has raced left handed,right handed and down the straight in 5 different states against australia's best.won races ranging from 1000m to 1400m and only been hit with the whip a handfull of times.Show me another horse that has a record like hers and maybe i listen to people that like to knock her.English spinter are b class spinters compared to australian spinters. Not if she wins in england but when she wins in england i hope all you negative knockers out there stand up and applaud a champ.
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (376 days ago)
Zenyatta my friend was way way better than Black Caviar. She got beaten on her last attempt (20th) when running in the Breeders' Cup Classic my dear friend!!!!!! And that day she put up an amazing performance and was gallant in defeat as she finished like an express train only to get beaten by a short head!! Note that Zenyatta had already won the Breeders' Cup Classic the year before. So she was running against the very best in the world when attempting to win 20 straight while on the other hand Peter Moody chose Black Caviar to run against fillies (already beaten horses) only in her 20th attempt. I hope you and Peter Moody will apologize after the Golden Jubilee when your self-made Aussie champ gets beaten by the B-class sprinters. I hope they bring Overdose.
Raymond K Smith, South Africa, (2009-02-27 14:49:52) (376 days ago)
Shea Shea is the best!!! I cannot wait for the KZN season and the Dubai Racing Season...Then all can just Shhhh Shhhhh!!!!!
ahpoh, Singapore, (2010-01-30 17:46:40) (375 days ago)
black cavair will just bust them away. it will take a long time to have another mare like her
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (375 days ago)
Jason Dominque is clearly living in a world of his own! hahaha My dear Jason, in case u don't know, Australia by definition produces the world's best sprinters and in the last decade , Australian horses have more than proven that they are way superior to rest of the world. If u want proof, just google a bit and u will learn..Miss Andretti, Choisir, Starpanglebanner, Takeovertarget, Scenic Blast are some of the few who's done the hard work(taken the plane ) and beat the Europeans on their own ground.and guess wat, all these above named sprinters were hardly as domiant as Black Caviar in Australia. U can imagine the destruction that is heading the Ascot way in 1 month...Another example, does Jason Domingue knows about Australian mare Ortensia ? she destroys the world best a couple of month ago in Dubai in the Group 1 Al Quoz Sprint and guess wat, she could hardly finished within 8 lengths of Black Caviar and her only Group 1 race earnt in Australia was obtained in Perth in weaker companies.. Last but not the l
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (375 days ago)
last but not the least, the only time when her jockey Luke Nolen asked for a real effort, that was in the Group 1 Lightning Stakes , when Hay List , arguable the second best sprinter in the world challenged her, she did something that racing experts never knew was possible , she clocked her last 200m in an unreal 9:98 sec !!! No horse has ever gone down 10 sec for a 200m Mr Domingue...Ojn that note, get me a horse that can do that, then we can discuss...
Raymond K Smith, South Africa, (2009-02-27 14:49:52) (375 days ago)
Shea Shea....Bertrand!!! and Shhhh Shhhh because we agree BC is brilliant don't try and rewrite the tabloids as it is now history that she has 21 candles blown out. Now let's see what happens when they meet Shea Shea...hey hey don't say I did not shhhh shhh you.
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (375 days ago)
As you rightly said Ortensia is a great mare as she traveled the world over to go and beat the males in a major international Group 1, the Al Quoz Sprint, on World Cup night...she went the hard way but did it. On the other hand your local champion remains a local champion as she is untested on the world stage. We would never know if she's really that good until and unless she cross the seas and go head to head to face real competition. Only true champions can hold their own anywhere in the world and the racing world is just waiting Black Caviar for her international debut. But as I said we would only be convinced when she steps on track at Royal Ascot and face the task of her life.
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (374 days ago)
lol, but there is something u don't seem to understand Jason, Ortensia is just a one timer Group 1 winner in Australia that was outclassed by Black Caviar and had to race against weaker field to get her Group 1 win! Ortensia is not even in the top 10 sprinters in Australia lol. U don't seem to have read my post accordingly yet again, as i told u that Australia produces the best sprinters year in year out and like Peter Moody said recently, she will have to travel and race against B -Grade european sprinters and for less prize money! Likewise , u don't seem to understand that having the best sprinters in the world hold the richest race for juvenile inn the world , the Golden Slipper. I am struggling to understand your "face real competiion" here..lol we got superior sprinters but it's just that it's Black Caviar and she makes them look ordinary,just Ortensia looked ordinary when outlclassed by Black Caviar by a massive 8 lengths eased up ! lol.You may wish to go back in the last ten years as i've mentioned to
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (374 days ago)
before , and see how many times Australian sprinters have proved they afre way superior that the rest of the world. It's just the way it is... Just like Black Caviar is the fastest horse in the world with the fastest sectionals in the worlld that are unmatched ...there is absolutely no way out lol Read this article posted on Racing Post the famous British Racing Web Site about an analysis carried out by english racing experts on Black Caviar and u will understand that everyone knows she's unbeatable...no need to be stressed mate lol but that's the way it is.. .http://www.racingpost.com/horses/home.sd?story=1033019#newsArchiveTabs=last7DaysNews
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (374 days ago)
Hey Bertrand I think you Aussies have got big mouth. We will see if Black Caviar will win in England. Only time will tell. You don't seem to understand that traveling affects horses. It seems that you didn't witness Sepoy getting destroyed in the Dubai Golden Shaheen on the same night Ortensia won the Al Quoz Sprint. Don't tell me he is not among the top 5 best sprinters of Australia mate. He was a total disaster at Meydan...just an example showing that not all horses travel well. For your info, Black Caviar was originally targeted to run in the Dubai Golden Shaheen but was cleverly (because of fear of course despite Peter Moody said that the tapeta surface was not a problem for Black Caviar) withdrawn from the race. And we all know at the end of the day that it was because of the tapeta surface that Moody decided to scratch Black Caviar, thereby not risking her unbeaten run on a surface she never experienced. We all know the tricks of the game. You can bring any amount of facts Bertrand but the FACT is...
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (374 days ago)
Black Caviar is untested on the world stage to this date and has won 21 straight in Australia alone. I prefer seeing Ortensia missing the start and winning the Al Quoz Sprint against a world class field instead of seeing Black Caviar going 20 straight against already beaten fillies. Come on! Let's get serious my friend. If only we see Black Caviar getting out of the stalls at Royal Ascot that would already be a victory...a victory over Peter Moody! If he was the sole owner of Black Caviar, we would have never seen her competing overseas! She would have been to and fro in Australia only.
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (374 days ago)
I like horse racing Bertrand. I would love seeing her competing in England and moreover in Hong Kong in December. Really looking forward to her overseas campaign...really want to see how she takes the traveling. Unfortunately she won't be facing Rocket Man or JJ The Jet Plane but there would still be a bunch of good horses and I heard that Hay List is coming over as well.
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (374 days ago)
Jason, am surprised now u talking about the effects of travailling on Black Caviar whilst it was never the core subject regarding Black Caviar ! lol You were clearly demeaning Black Caviar's feat in Australia in the first place and now when u show u the facts (superiority of Australian sprinters over the years, unmatched Black Caviar sectionals) etc n now u mention the effect of the travel.! I already know the travel issue and i mentioned earlier that we're happyt to get the worries and defeat the poms on their own ground . As i told u , it's already proven they got B- Grade sprinters overther...
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (374 days ago)
and Ortensia finished 1.75 L behind JJM The Jet Plane and Rocket Man in Hong Kong after struggling to get the right gap ! lol. This illustrates where u are when u talki about Australian sprintets Jason. These are mere facts..Record these names again..Miss Andretti, Scenic Blast, Starpanglebanner, Chosir, Magnus, Takeovertarget are horses that would be outclassed by Black Caviar in any given race but demolished and toyed the opposition overseas, whether uk, Singapore , Hong Kong and japan!~ True to say that Sepoy and Helmet didn't act on the Tapeta surface , just like So You Think didn't handle it.
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (374 days ago)
but we not refering about choising the right going here but talkiing about the ability and that's proven , no horse on this planet could match up with Black Caviar and these are facts..(sectionals) and Hay List will beat anyone in the world except Black Caviar.I'll give u the 1st three sprinters in the World...Black Caviar, Hay List, Foxwedge ...all from Australia...Rocket Man, Sacred Kingdom, Better Be The One, were previous top rated sprinters and are all....Australian sprinters...lol..mate..it's useless to continue on this path..just ridiculous.
dave, Australia, (2012-02-25 12:41:51) (373 days ago)
Jason Zenyatta was a great horse but only won 19 straight all going the same way off going all bar 1 over 1mile and a bit. All in america so never went overseas and was a dirt horse plus we are talking about the number 1 horse in the world at the moment which is by far bc.
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (373 days ago)
Absolute shit! The number one horse in the world is simply FRANKEL. And while Sir Henry Cecil is keen to take on your champion Black Caviar in the Sussex Stakes in August [and put her in her place...2nd world's highest rated horse], Peter Moody has already dismissed this possibility. As you see, he has only got a big mouth stating there is no opposition in England [B-grade runners as he says] and by all means he will not face the number 1 in the world Frankel. No rivals you say?! He was talking about money...they are stacking up an additional £1 million for the Sussex if both Frankel and Black Caviar turn up. While it is almost a certainty Frankel will be lined up, I'm afraid to say that you big mouth have already opened it wider by refusing the challenge. All you Aussies want is to keep Black Caviar unbeaten run get going and you deeply know facing Frankel will bring a big end to this fairy tale.
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (373 days ago)
Jason lol u'll have to be smarter than that ! lol No doubt u must be following horse racing since ur childhood1 lol. Let's put it this way...why Black Caviar would take the worry of the travel , race for lesser Stakes Money(as Australia's stakes Money are way superior that in the Uk) and race on a distance that will favour Frankel ? Where is the equity ? lol Why don't Frankel come over here in Australia and prove himself at say Flemington in Melbourne? lol moreso he would race for way higher stakes money...why don't take the worries and stress of the travel? lol we can as well say that Henry Cecil hasn't got thr guts to do it isn't it? lol
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (373 days ago)
Now , why don't u react on the stats i mentioned u above about Australian sprinters always demolishing their european counterparts? lol It seems for that the 1 million pound sterling big deal isn;'t it? lol just check at our stakes money down here lol. If u really feel confident that Frankel can beat BC on a mile, have u imagine wat would happen if Frankel dared step back in distance? lol ..better not lol .I told Jason, times and sectioals never lie, Frankel hasn't abnd can't match Black Caviar's sectionals. ..(Racing Post from the UK ) said it( i gave u the link to read mate ) lol no need to get excited! .
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (372 days ago)
Bertrand I'm not getting excited. I'm not saying I don't like Australian racing and you should note that I mentioned earlier that "I like horse racing" or else I wouldn't even know about Black Caviar. I totally agree with the facts that Australian thoroughbreds are the very best in the world! No doubt about that Bertrand, trust me! And about top sprinter, I believe at his top level Rocket Man would beat Black Caviar anywhere in the world. Unluckily he is lamed and won't be running in the Kris Flyer in Singapore on Saturday. He will most certainly miss Royal Ascot as well...don't know actually if he was entered in the race anyway.
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (372 days ago)
Had you read well the article from Racing Post from the UK that you are talking about dear Bertrand you would know that the best stakes are offered in Japan!! And I did not had to read about that to know it because I know it since years. But you are always trying to make as if Australia offers the highest stakes in the world. My friend the English man will say to you "Time is no time" !!! And for the sake of God and everyone please take these words...because now I will ask you one question after all your literature on sectionals time...
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (372 days ago)
Bertrand you like to talk about sectionals, fractions, seconds, milliseconds, time, so please answer this: After winning an unparalleled 21 straight wins in her scintillating career, tell me how many track record does Black Caviar hold?
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (372 days ago)
So Bertrand, perhaps now you understand the English man better! ;-)
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (372 days ago)
haha kiddy Jason! u gonna teach me english..fair enough lol .ok..stakes? never did i say Australia had the highest ones in the world but certainly the higher than in Europe or the US ! LOL .Now u went straight in the hole lol..why did Black Caviar doesn;'t hold any track record? lol well mate..anyone with a certain level of experience in racing would know the answer., same answer that is this question.." did Black Caviar needed to slash records to beat her rivals? lol mate, open ur eyes, she wins eased up (her jockey eases her sometimes 75 mt from the post and despite that..she ran quarter of seconds always the outside distance record almost every time..lol
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (372 days ago)
now imagine how many track records she would hold had she been pushed to the second gear!!! Rocket Man would would be a good match for Buffering or Hay List in Australia not for Black Caviar..mate lol..OMG! no disrespect to Rocket Man who's a valuable Aussi bred sprinter but not only he wouldn't be a match (as acknowledge by this trainerShaw) but he sectionals are very inferior to BC.and these are again facts! By the way..since we tallkig about Singapore racigng have u heard bou aussi bred t Silent Witness? lol his trainer recently (yes another one) said he's never seen a horse as fast as Black Caviar! Like the British says..Black Caviar is a one- off ! U gotta love it..!! lol
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (372 days ago)
I never saw Black Caviar easing up 75m from the line when she last met Hay List and despite being hard ridden to the post she did not set a course record. I am not a fan of course record because as I said "Time is no time" but I'm saying that for you Bertrand who seems so fond of sectionals. I think it was in that particular 1000m race (Lightning Stakes) that she went through with 9:98 sectional and despite that she did not break the course record. Did her? Oh pity! lol. Please take it as "time is no time" because race condition is never the same. Never never! tracks are all different all over the world! This is why you cannot compare the sectionals of Black Caviar to Frankel. You should recall Peter Moody's fear of England's undulating tracks!!! He always said that Black Caviar will have to prove over a solid 1400m/1600m in Australia before ever considering running a 1200m in England. This is straight from the trainer's mouth Bertrand!...let me see if you argue about that lol
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (372 days ago)
This is why I say let's wait and see how Black Caviar will run in England before making up fairy tale conclusions! A race is always on the track Bertrand, not on paper or with big mouth! Anything can happen in a race! And returning back on the time factor...I would say anything worthwhile recording is the world record set by the mighty SECRETARIAT over 2400m on dirt that still stands today. The time was an unthinkable 2:24 flat set in the Belmont Stakes in 1973 and no horse around the world to date has ever gone below 2:25. This is how you mark history mate! Another one: Deep Impact set a world record in 2006 over 3200m with a blistering 3:13.4 that no Melbourne Cup winner in history could match! He would have won the Melbourne Cup by at least 3 seconds ahead of the pack. Can you imagine that?
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (371 days ago)
Hmm Bertrand let me rewrite the last part...DEEP IMPACT would have won the fastest Melbourne Cup (won by Kingston Rule in 1990) by at least 3 seconds ahead of the pack. No doubt that he would have demolished the opposition in unprecedented style. And as you might know he's a Japanese thoroughbred and two time JRA Horse of the Year. Winner of 12 races including all legs of the Japanese Triple Crown in an illustrious career, Deep Impact is the all-time leading money earner in the history of thoroughbred flat racing with a jaw dropping 1.5 billion Yen (approx. $18.5 million) !!!
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (370 days ago)
no Jason, u still not smart enough and even worse..now u going irrelevant to the actual topic..dunno wat the Melbourne or Secretariat's got to do with Black Caviar's a sprinter.! lol U made me laugh when u said that Black Caviar didn''t eased up in the Lightning Stakes with Hay List. Ur biggest mistake is that u still haven;'t understood that Hay List is arguably the second best sprinter in the world! Hay List would be anything in the world but not Black Caviar.This horse is just unlucky to be racing in the same era like Black Caviar otherwise he would have been a great champion.
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (370 days ago)
Now , i guess u didn't qutie make the difference between times and sectionals...Times relates to the pace of a race which can vary and don't rely strictly on BC particularly if she's not leadiing while sectionals are testament of abilities and we're talking of unmatched ability here and everybody knows that except u Jason ! lol. Anyway..at least now u know. Now , like i said, concerning the 200m sectionals (9:98) that was a glimpse of wat she could do when she was really asked for a serious effort...lol
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (370 days ago)
Just want to say you that here in Mauritius, horses run below 10 seconds for the 200m sectionals in training!!! And I don't have to say to you that these horses are way from being champions. They're unknown to the world but yet accomplish great sectionals in both training and in official races. Here in Mauritius we have a very fast track and that has been confirmed by many world renown jockeys that experienced with our track. So I really want to get you to the point that time will always vary over different tracks. If our average horses here in Mauritius do that I can't see why the best sprinter in the world won't be able to top that. Well it's up to you to decide. I know Black Caviar is a national icon in Australia and she's stamped deeply in all Aussie minds. I understand you guys...if you don't want to mess up with international horse racing, so keep your champion down under! And just to let you know Peter Moody once suggested that Black Caviar can hold 2000m and was even targeting a race like...
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (370 days ago)
the Cox Plate for her and you you said that she won't be at her advantage over 1600m...non sense Bertrand!
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (370 days ago)
Hey Bertrand if ever we do not have the match race between Frankel and Black Caviar (and most probably it won't happen)...take a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNPd5_GsJ24
John, Australia, (2010-10-12 12:32:13) (369 days ago)
Looking forward to all these brilliant sub 10second sprinters from Mauritius coming over and blitzing our multi-million dollar sprint races Jason :)
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (369 days ago)
Jason now is showing me now that he does't even know how to make a difference between a 800 or 600 spurt at trackwork and a a race sectional! lol now u beuing the laughing stock of this forum! lol In fact, u ridiculed urself when u mentioned that ur averaged horses do clock a sub10 sec at trackwork and wondered why international sprinters can't do same! lol Should i need to give u the reason why now? lol Well..if u think am biased, then ..go and do a bit of research on thoroughbred sectionals Jason.lol a horse just can't clock a a 9:98 in a race situation even more on a sprint but u'lll see decent sectionals when races are run at cheap sectionals , horses will always show up decent closing sectionals..
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (369 days ago)
lol and poor Jason , he's comparing South African horses to Australian horses lol..u'll be looking down the barrel mate..hahha..i understand why u guys in Mauritius have got averaged horses...Frankel?? lol it's boring defeating the same old rivals..it's as if in Europe ., there is no more than 4 - 5 capable horses to run Frankel;...when Frankel will face some 8 - 12 horses1 ? lol Guess wat..if ever Frankel dares stepping back in distance to face Australian sprinters..he'll need to defeat Hay List/Foxwedge/Buffering or Sepoy first..then we can consider thinking about him racing Black Caviar lol.
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (368 days ago)
Well Bertrand as long as you live in Australia you won't understand world racing and the importance of competing worldwide. I suppose you don't know why Phar Lap is the greatest Australian horse of all-time...eclipsing the 21 straight of Black Caviar. So keep watching your champion down under Bertrand...typical Aussie mind! It is because of people like you that horse racing won't progress. Sorry I didn't know you were like that, I thought you had an open mind on global racing. It's not worth continue talking to you. You're so Aussie minded trying to set your point and getting everybody to accept that. You're not opened to learn new things from outside of your own world. It's a pity! I lost my time talking to you Bertrand
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (368 days ago)
Jason, don't be sad mate..wat a joke claiming that Australian horses don't travel..lol..Mate..it's been more than 10 years that our horses do travel to Europe and kickm their ass...at the Royal Ascot inn the UK.LOL...Miss Andreti, Scenic Blast, Takeovertarget, Starpanglebanner, Choisir.....are all horses that have travelled and kicked them in their own ground. so don't write nonsense and say that we keep our horses only home! Now u gonna show me to understand world racing...lol good luck..Phar Lap is the greatest for the previous generation buit not for the actual mate..come over here and check it out...lol...but don't worry..in one month time,, u'll be among these poor uk people bending low to Black Caviar lol..
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (367 days ago)
lol Aussie minded Bertrand I think you're even disconnected with Australian horse racing. You're talking about old generation but you didn't noticed that I've said Phar Lap to be the greatest Australian racehorse of "all-time". Of course you won't know because you're disconnected with Australian horse racing (I guess you heard your friends talking about Black Caviar and now you're making a hell out of it) else you would have known that Australian people have voted Phar Lap to be the greatest of all-time. And I never pointed out that Australian horses don't travel...and this is why I said "I suppose you don't know why Phar Lap is the greatest Australian horse of all-time"...I suppose you didn't understand the sentence and sorry I won't explain it to you. Australian horses have won races all over the world and I am in complete admiration for So You Think whom I rate to be THE best Australian breed currently in racing. What you don't understand from the very beginning is that Black Caviar specifically is...
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (367 days ago)
untested on the world stage and that makes a whole lot difference. If all the horses you mentioned above have traveled and won in England it doesn't mean that Black Caviar has and won the Golden Jubilee. There is nothing taken for granted in horse racing Bertrand. You don't seem to understand how traveling can affect horses and I am not here to explain it to you. And I don't know why I'm still writing. BYE
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (367 days ago)
oh gosh...am gonna stop kidding with u. again, u still can't read properly , i told u to come over here and check out who's the greatest for the actual generation , implying that only the oldest generation still have high regards on Phar Lap though gradually fading . Dear Jason, i promise myself to stop kidding with u , u may wish to know that i've grown up among horses and horses are my life and passion, and i remember following thoroughbred racing since the a very young age and now i've made horse racing the way i earn my living.
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (367 days ago)
now am completing a degree in Thoroughbred Racing at RMIT on a part time basis and i feel that horse racing is very much a topic i do rarely go wrong though i can't be right all the time but i tend to stick to facts to sustain my points and not informal network and perception like u seem to excel on.! Now the latest incrediblle turnaround coming ur way is that u never talked about oz horses not travelling enough but about how trips can affect horses1 lol.We all kniow about the effects of long trips on horses Jason, i was strictly reacting since the beginning by the way
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (367 days ago)
to ur statements as regards to Black Caviar, must prove herself in the UK to prove she's the best lol or that she's defeated nothing so far or that European sprinters might be a better match for her....all these points were simply ridiculous and even if it's still remain that the trip issue is an unknown factor regarding BC we all know that only an inury could get the better of her otherwise these poor pommies are certainly heading towards yet another arrogant and embarrassing slap..lol
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (367 days ago)
You see you are those typical person in their own world...you think that you're a professional just because you're completing a degree in Thoroughbred Racing and that your points are the only points we should accept. Think again my friend. We keep learning everyday and always will. You are talking as if you know all about horse racing stating that "horse racing is very much a topic i do rarely go wrong"!!! How on earth can you say that? Hey Bertrand I don't have to justify myself and prefer not to tell you my background. I do not come to visit websites and trying to convince people that my points are right. Everybody is free to express himself/herself and that's why these forums exist - to share points and views. On the other side you are believe that you're a pro because you'll be having a degree in Thoroughbred Racing (and as a human being I wish you plenty of success Bertrand, sincerely, I believe if it's your passion (as mine) go on and get your degree mate!). Our points may differ but this is all about..
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (367 days ago)
having an exchange, something to debate on lol. Well I guess all in all, I do think you understand by now how much I love international horse racing and there's nothing much I could appreciate as the Dubai World Cup Carnival...i love the saying "the DWC Carnival is the Olympic games of horse racing" where horses from across the globe come and compete on a level playing ground (neutral shall I say). I was overly disappointed when Black Caviar was scratched from the Dubai Golden Shaheen earlier this year...worth $2,000,000. I was really looking forward to her first appearance overseas but :( Well I guess we can only cross fingers to see her long awaited international debut at Royal Ascot next month. I think it is a good end to our chat Bertrand. Hope to meet you some days in Australia. By the time perhaps you'll already be a trainer who knows ;-)
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (366 days ago)
Well, never my intention to demean urself or to disrepute ur points but if u scroll up and check out ur comments,where u clearly and persistently tried to make a fool of our comments triggered my reactiion to say the least.Furthermore, when i mentioned that i do have some academic proficiency in Thoroughbred racing was simply to get u in the know that my points were smostly technicaland i couldn't go wrong on these ones,m particularly when u mentione Mauritian trackword=ks sectionals.! Needless to label myself as being in my own world when i talking about facts and not about perceptions !
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (366 days ago)
U keep claiming that BC should go here and there but are u in the know why Moody select the right races for her? are u in the know why BC has had only 21 starts in her 5 yr old career? clearly no ! BC is a big frame horse that weighs around 600kgs yet has got fragile legs. She gets to hurt herslelf at times in running particularly at the speed she goes, some deep cut nearly aborted her career at 2 yrs. She also put up with some soft tissues problems triggered from a wound obtained at her 4 th start! She got some niggles and requires the extreme care
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (366 days ago)
at all times. When Moody says that he's not afraid to scratch her in any Group 1 , he really means it... he's spelled her many times and thx to Moody this is why he's been able to get the best out of her all this time. You guys9particularly the poms) will see something that u've never witness before in racing. and here it's no Takeovertarget/Miss Andretti etc..this time it's a once in a lifetime horse. The countdown is on already. The Dubai trip was scratch considering that that had she gone there, she would have had to stay too long away from home before heading to the UK .Moody thus elected to race her in Adelaide that was craving to see her i n a flesh.
Bertrand, Australia, (2012-05-14 14:33:07) (366 days ago)
it is more than likely that Black Caviar will NEVER race on a tapeta surface or All weather track if u want for reasons i've outlined above but also for possibiity that she may not handle the surface. (just like Sepoy and Helmet ).
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (366 days ago)
Yep Bertrand I knew for her short career so far (only 21 starts) comparing to the norm (you've got 3-4 yo horses that have more than 30 starts). I knew about her early injuries, watched it on TV. And the thing you mentioned as well, 600kgs, yes I heard about that, it's pretty amazing how big is this animal. Peter Moody believes she must have big bones because she don't physically look like a horse carrying around 600kgs. I'm really looking forward for a special show in the Golden Jubilee just as everybody around the world. Nobody expects her to lose anyways. Only good horses handle different surfaces with same ease. Dubai Millennium was terrific on both turf and dirt, winning several top flight races on both surfaces and in different countries (France, UK, Dubai). You have many South African bred horses that raced on turf locally and then went on to win big races on dirt (at Nad Al Sheba) and tapeta in Dubai, just to name a few Victory Moon, Yard Arm, Lizard's Desire (lost the Dubai World Cup by a nose)
Jason Domingue, Mauritius, (2009-02-27 17:27:51) (366 days ago)
but went on to win the Singapore Airlines International Cup the same year showing his effectiveness on grass again. Mike de Kock took Horse Chestnut (the greatest horse race in the history of South African horse racing) to win on dirt in America in a Group 3. He was unfortunately injured while preparing for the Dubai World Cup in 2000. Musir (Australian bred) won a Group 1 in South Africa on turf before taking Dubai racing by storm. He won Group races in Dubai on both all-weather and turf. We will never know if Black Caviar would handle the tapeta unless she gets a go on it. Moody said the surface was not a problem, it was the issue you mentioned that bothered him. I also believe she will handle the tapeta 100% because she is a good horse. So You Think stayed on 4th in the Dubai World Cup and ran a more than decent race in the Breeders' Cup Classic last year. So to me Black Caviar will handle the tapeta no probs. Hope she is lined up in Dubai next year!
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